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Islam v Judeo-Christianity in Terms of Extremism

This particular post was born in a Facebook conversation following the terror attacks in Brussels…

Ary: Brussels didn’t deserve this, neither did Paris, neither did Ankara, Istanbul, Madrid, London, and NYC. There is no justification for terror attacks on civilians.

Richard: But Islam is the religion of Peace.

Ary: Islam isn’t the enemy, militant Islam is the enemy. I’m not worried my neighbors across the street are going to blow up my house, but the people being radicalized in certain Mosques around the world make me worry
Richard: If a person is a practicing Muslim… they are a threat. One cannot be a loyal patriotic American and be a practicing Muslim… they are mutually exclusive. Someone of Islamic heritage that is not practicing… that is another story.
Vinny: Richard, please tell me the difference between a moderate Christian whose book (the bible) can be read to incite violence against women/children and own slaves, and the moderate Muslim who believes in the Quran.

Either taken to the extreme can be dangerous, on that I think we both agree. However, you believe that even non-extremist belief in the Quran is counter to American values. So please tell me the difference between the Quran and the Bible.
Richard:

There are many differences between the Bible and the Quran. While both books claim to be the word of God, the Bible is written by many different people over a long period of time, whereas, the Quran is based on one man’s life, Muhammad. The Christian Bible has various sections in which different people express the words of God. These people being human, I am sure some of them were “good” while others may not have been. What we do know about Muhammad though is that he was NOT a good man. He was a pedophile. He married one of his twenty wives when she was just six years old. Many Muslims point out that Muhammad did not have sexual relations with her until she was nine or ten, as if this is any less of a crime against a child. Muhammad embraced violence. He is known to have killed at least one man himself and ordered the killing or assassination of dozens. Muhammad was a misogynist. He declared that the majority of hell’s inhabitants would be women because they were half as smart as men, not as religious as men and they were ungrateful to their husbands.

It is also of interest to read both books and see what lessons are given.  Let us look at the act of lying.  The Bible has only two verses where lying is permitted and in both instances it is only acceptable when standing up to evil (Exodus 1:19 and Joshua 2:4–5).  On the other hand, lying is part of the Muslim religion in the form of Al-taqiyya.  According to TROP (The Religion of Peace.com), “There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.”  If it’s OK for a Muslim to lie to a non-Muslim, how can we ever trust what a Muslim says?

Vinny you write, “Either taken to extreme can be dangerous, on that I think we both agree.” I would not agree. What is your proof of that. There is plenty of proof about the dangers of Islam being taken to the extreme, but what evidence do you have of harm caused by Christian extremism? Let’s take the worst Christian group, Westboro Baptist Church… these people are mentally ill and filled with hate. They demonstrate at the funerals of fallen soldiers and they demonstrate with signs saying “God Hates Fags” (that is even their website address www.godhatesfags.com).  These people take snippets from the Bible and turn it into the most repulsing form of vitriolic vomit one can think of… BUT… But, they don’t kill anyone!  They HATE homosexuals but they do not kill homosexuals.  On the other hand, we all know that Muslim extremists do kill homosexuals.  WBC members don’t stone people for adultery, but the Muslims do, and not just the “extremists.”  This is a “deliberately slow and cruel punishment.”

What about some other “extreme” Judeo/Christian groups?  When was the last time you heard of the Amish stoning someone?  Or the Chabad-Lubavitch?   Both of these groups take a fairly conservative/strict interpretation of their respective religious texts.  And yes, they both engage in certain behaviors, such as shunning or ex-communicating, that we may not agree with… but they don’t kill anyone!  There are estimates that historically 270 million people have been killed by jihad.

Lastly, look historically at the spread of Judaism/Christianity and Islam.  Islam has only spread through wars and violence, “Convert or die!”  Christians send out missionaries with no weapons other than the Bible.  Jews… they don’t proselytize at all.  I have always wanted to go to a Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Hall and bang on the door during a service and say, “Have you heard the good news? Who wants to be a Jew?” but I am a wiseass.

I could go on and on… but what’s the point?